SONY ZD9 series (FALD Backlight Master Drive)

Siempre va a haber algo muy superior que lo anterior en mayor o menor medida, todo está en la satisfacción que le de de si a cada persona, que eso es muy diferente. Quien dice que en el siguiente CES no presentan más bombazos por parte de otras marcas? Si esperamos, nunca compramos, y si compramos, se quedará atrás en cuánto te des la vuelta... Al final lo que hago es quedarme "quieto parao" y esperar... no me vienen las ganas ni las ansias ni de gastar dinero, ni de tener lo último o lo penúltimo y mucho menos por puro capricho... simplemente explotar al máximo lo que se tiene a día de hoy y se acabó, cuándo se rompa algo, es cuándo se mira, no antes.

Wow:

I know you folks want all sorts of technical details and pics, but I'm more of a "how does the picture really look" than a technical person. I'm certainly interested is some of the technical details that might affect the picture quality, even if not obvious with a regular image, but ultimately, it's the picture that counts.

The 65 Z9D picture quality is simply incredible. I spend hours watching it last night and this morning. What impressed me most was the depth and clarity of the image. The blacks were truly impressive as was the brightness of the image without any blooming or blown highlights that I could see. Colors were incredibly rich and pure looking. The animated Blu-ray movies I checked never looked better. The black levels and color fidelity of my Z9D are so beautiful, it's hard to imagine it being much better. And given what I think is superior shadow detail and motion handling of this set compared to the OLED's I've seen, I can't imagine being more satisfied with any other set.

I understand that these terms can be nebulous and very subjective. I've heard many people describe a 3D quality to an image. I've never been able to see that, until now. The picture just seems to be more "alive" and "vibrant" than any previous display I've seen. I'm wondering is this appearance is due to the greater local contrast from the master back light drive.

As good as my Sony 950B is (was), the 65Z9D is better. Earlier this year, to get HDR, I purchased the Sony 65" 930D. I knew I was trading FALD on the 950B for Sony's new Slim Backlight Drive. I had hoped it would be good enough. In the store, the 930D looked OK, but didn't cause me to swoon. Sadly, within an hour of setting it up at home, I knew I had made a mistake. The picture was good, but not nearly good enough when compared to my 950B. It lacked a vibrancy and clarity I had come to expect with my 950B. It was returned.

Enter the Z9D. In the store, even with terrible ambient lighting, I sensed a special quality to the image that really excited me. Throughout the evening of viewing many different sources, I was continually saying "wow" to myself. I know this is very subjective, and maybe I'm full of it, but this is one gorgeous display, even better than I expected. I saw absolutely no imperfections. Even if, when you folks do more sophisticated testing that I can do, you find a slight negative, I don't believe it would change my opinion of the image quality.

I'll be interested in hearing what other owners say about this display. I think it's the best set that Sony has every produced.

Hello everyone, thought I’d share some pictures of the 65ZD9 I took on my iPhone today. Yes I visited the Video & Audio Store again hoping to see the 75’’ in person but I had no luck I was told that Sony took the 75’’ with them yesterday they couldn’t keep it *sign*. Oh and yes sadly they moved the 65’’ back into it’s original terrible viewing place next to the window. *face palm* I know what rotten luck hugh? So terrible ambient outside lighting aside I was very impressed with the set again as you might have all guessed. Yes I’ll say it agin this is just one beautiful display and yes I really want one like now!
So back to my original assessment, the detail I was seeing on this display was plain impressive and these screen shot’s I took do not do it justice by any means. However I figure it’s better than showing you nothing right?

Anyway down the road I hope to get you all much better screen shot’s if I end up picking up the 75’’. Also I was just told today that Sony will not be releasing anything better anytime soon, this display the Z-Series will now be the top dog for at least the next 18 months. Also I was told that many movie studios are replacing their much smaller 30’’ OLED reference set’s with this set so that’s quite impressive if you think about it because those 30’’ OLED made by yes Sony are each $30k!

Se habla desde la presentación en Shangai de una supuesta edición del modelo KD-65ZD9G con motivo de la celebración de la marca Sony de los 70 años que lleva, recubierto con Oro y Platino (me imagino que el marco y la parte trasera), así como cristal de zafiro para el recubrimiento de la pantalla con un acabado especial de tratado para mejorar el contraste y maximizar aún mas el nivel de negro, aunque puede que solo llegue a estar expuesto en un principio para Japón.

https://www.iznb.cn/question/37949/answer/34116

having gone thru a few setup screens etc with white text over black background, i can make a few ridiculously premature comments about the PQ. black is v good but prob not quite at the level of my former E6. blooming seems very well controlled on axis - see pic. offaxis there is a bit more. difficult to capture either way bc camera either hides it or greatly exaggerates the effect. brightness not overwhelming at all so far. again, that is all OOTB. more later when it gets dar

watching champs league qualifier now. wow Sony motion is sooo nice. motion flow off. clear upgrade on the OLED.

too soon to say about blacks. re:uniformity - grass is not greener. no banding but some DSE. hoping it will improve.

colors are excellent OOTB. combined with the excellent motion, it makes for a very natural looking picture. tons of headroom for brightness. haven't tried HDR yet.

Jump in brightness is v noticeable and welcome although tbf i never considered the E6 to be dim.

Just watched a bit of the last Harry Potter BD and it looked spectacular. based on brief viewing, im thinking near blacks are better than OLED. still too soon to be sure.

can't get over how good the potter movie looks on this. thinking local dimming must have been off when I first posted bc these blacks are really really good. transitions from black to just above black are seamless. no crush!

uverse, which is about as bad as it gets. ive been paying close attention to dark content, and so far i haven't noticed any of the macro blocking that I saw on the E6. while it's premature to draw conclusions, i do think up scaling is better. sorry. Ugh...i really hate sounding like a Sony fanboy.

i already have most of the LG demos on a flash drive. so far, the thing I'm most surprised by is not how much better this or the E6 is but how similar they look most of the time. Z9 really could pass for an OLED if you didn't know any better. both are amazing with good quality content

black bars are black. disappear in a dark room

one thing fald will never do as well as oleds - star fields. on the sharp saturn's rings demo, the oled was almost like being outside at night and looking up. z9 the blacks are black but stars are not quite as bright.

Solo indica que tiene un poco de DSE.

Pepino de tele. Ganas de ver una review completa

Tengo ganas de catarla esta TV .

Ah pues, estos la han recibido rápido xD: Sony KD-65ZD9BU review | What Hi-Fi?

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It’s not perfect, but this gorgeous premium Sony TV dazzles with 4K pictures

Caramba, pues yo esperaba mejores comentarios, y mejor nota. A ver que van diciendo el resto de reviewers.

Sobre todo este comentario:

There’s no escaping the fact that the Samsung 65KS9000 offers a better picture at a much lower price.

suena extraño. Podría ser creíble de la 65KS9500, que es una FALD como la ZD9, pero si una televisión edge-led produce mejor calidad de imagen que la FALD, es que Sony ha hecho un mal trabajo. Veremos.

Yo creo que viene siendo que mayormente no está justificado a día de hoy el alto precio que tiene y que una con menor precio, a "cualquiera" le podría valer. No obstante, esta página no la tengo yo mucho en consideración, más bien las opiniones que hacen internamente son más bien subjetivas que otra cosa. Habrá que esperar a review´s más serias.

Esta Sony Bravia ZD9 es buena? si, lo es; por su precio? ni de lejos, ni esta ni ninguna otra, aunque se vayan acercando. Ahora bien, seguro que subirían a 5 estrellas si estuviera a 3000€ o menos, eso seguro.

PD: hasta a la Sony XD9305 le ponen mejor nota que a la Sony ZD9 a pesar de ser esta más reciente, o incluso la Panasonic DX900, increíble .

Un poco decepcionante esa review... parecía la TV LED perfecta, y según ellos no lo es ni por asomo... Entonces, era realmente necesario lanzar esta gama ZD9 si por lo que parece no mejora mucho a la que era el buque insignia de la marca, la XD94?

Mejor esperar a más análisis, pero menudo bajón...

Igual. Joer, tanto bombo al Backlight Master Drive con miles de zonas y luego...

De todas formas creo que si desglosamos las conclusiones:

Rivals offer better black depth and finer subtle detail

No se refieren a la misma TV. Es decir, hay teles con mejor negro (OLED) y que tienen una imagen con más "punch" (la Samsung). O eso entiendo yo. Lo que no entiendo es por qué, ya que el "punch" suele asociarse a más nits y la Sony en teoría llega a emitir 3000 nits (pattern del 10%).

Tampoco concuerda bien con lo que dicen en AVSF, que hay varios con OLEDs y dicen que da tan bien el pego que casi no se nota la diferencia, otros con unas Sharp Elite -que tenían unos negros brutales- y dicen que la ZD es

i also have a sharp elite and this is miles better (as you'd expect after 5 yrs).

En fin, vamos a esperar a otra review...igual esta era una unidad de prueba o algo, no me cuadra nada.

Por eso lo he dicho, hay que esperar análisis más serias y en profundidad para ver que dicen o como lo dicen, porque está claro, que están diciendo que pasa sin pena ni gloria, pero que una samsung más barata "hace lo mismo" y eso sinceramente, me parece un despropósito.

Aunque como he dicho, Whathifi no me parece ni seria ni muy explayada, simplemente ponen lo que le gusta a la gente de a pie y ya está, "a cualquiera le vale" sea el precio que tenga, pero hay que estar al tanto de personas que buscan más un punto en concreto en especial y que se ahonde en el tema.

Donde está la diferencia es en la opinión del propietario que es más importante al fin y al cabo para todo ello.

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Por eso lo he dicho, hay que esperar análisis más serias y en profundidad para ver que dicen o como lo dicen, porque está claro, que están diciendo que pasa sin pena ni gloria, pero que una samsung más barata "hace lo mismo" y eso sinceramente, me parece un despropósito.

Aunque como he dicho, Whathifi no me parece ni seria ni muy explayada, simplemente ponen lo que le gusta a la gente de a pie y ya está, "a cualquiera le vale" sea el precio que tenga, pero hay que estar al tanto de personas que buscan más un punto en concreto en especial y que se ahonde en el tema.

Donde está la diferencia es en la opinión del propietario que es más importante al fin y al cabo para todo ello.

Cuando buscaba reviews de la OLED antes de comprármela me pasó exactamente lo mismo, me pareció que ni probaban las TVs, no se, parece todo fotomontajes, fotos sacadas de la web, etc. No me cuadra para nada con:

colors are excellent OOTB. combined with the excellent motion, it makes for a very natural looking picture. tons of headroom for brightness. haven't tried HDR yet.

Esto lo dice un expropietario de una OLED. Lo gracioso es que en la review uno de los puntos negativos es: Motion isn’t stable

Más del mismo tipo, que recordemos tuvo una OLED 2016, vamos tiene un referente -especialmente de nivel de negros- TOP, en este caso le preguntan si ha notado el aumento de brillo y que que tal las películas con muchas zonas oscuras:

Jump in brightness is v noticeable and welcome although tbf i never considered the E6 to be dim.

Just watched a bit of the last Harry Potter BD and it looked spectacular. based on brief viewing, im thinking near blacks are better than OLED. still too soon to be sure.

can't get over how good the potter movie looks on this. thinking local dimming must have been off when I first posted bc these blacks are really really good. transitions from black to just above black are seamless. no crush!

Muy buen escalado y movimiento:

uverse, which is about as bad as it gets. ive been paying close attention to dark content, and so far i haven't noticed any of the macro blocking that I saw on the E6. while it's premature to draw conclusions, i do think up scaling is better. sorry. Ugh...i really hate sounding like a Sony fanboy.

black bars are black. disappear in a dark room.

Le preguntan que que tal el vídeo ese del cuadrito blanco pasando, para que cuente las zonas y....no se pueden contar, no hay "zonas", si no miles de leds individualmente regulados:

tried the zone counter but not sure what I'm supposed to see. There are no obvious "zones" either horiz or vertic that I could detect.

Pruebas HDR:

i already have most of the LG demos on a flash drive. so far, the thing I'm most surprised by is not how much better this or the E6 is but how similar they look most of the time. Z9 really could pass for an OLED if you didn't know any better. both are amazing with good quality content.

Vamos a mi no me cuadra nada con la review jaja. Esta Sony puede ser un pepino, solo falta que baje un poco de precio y...