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Estooo...he perdido los Superlux HD381,están por casa pero no hay manera de encontrarlos.Parece ser que ha salido una versión nueva con un sólo cable y más largo,naturalmente.Me he fijado que hay los 386,¿hay alguna diferencia notoria con los 381?
También estoy considerando los Soundmagic P21 como orejeros portátiles,aunque no sé si son plegables y canta un poco el rojo con el negro del auricular.Batería,¿volveréis a tenerlos?
Saludos.
Tras un tiempecito con ellos sigo pensando lo mismo que dije en un principio. No sé si se debe a las grabaciones (son Flac extraidas del CD supuestamente), al movil, a que están defectuosos o yo que sé a qué se deba, pero que distorsionan, distorsionan, eso en mi caso es así. Me parece muy bien que Atcing afirme así rotundamente que no distorsionan y que alguien pueda creer que estoy más sordo que una tapia y por eso tengo que ponerlo a tope y distorsiona...nada más lejos de la realidad. Tampoco considero que tenga un oido sensibilísimo que pueda oir frecuencias que nadie oye, pero vamos que mis niveles de escucha son normales, de hecho muchas veces tiendo a ponerlos un poquito más bajos de lo normal pq sé que si le das unos minutos al oido se "acostumbra" a ese nivel de SPL un poco más bajo y no necesitas ponerlo a tope. Cuando he quitado una de las gomas, veo que hay como una membrana muy fina en uno de ellos que cubre parcialmente la salida, a ver si le puedo sacar una foto, pero la distorsión la noto a la vez y en los dos oidos, con lo que me inclino más por una grabación mala o directamente porque mi movil no da buen sonido (es uno de estos chinos con altas prestaciones). Quizás incluso el reproductor que trae por defecto el movil (el clásico de Android) pueda influir...no sé, probaré a ponerlos en un Ipod por ejemplo a ver qué tal, probaré con otros Flac o mp3 a 320kb a ver si consigo que no distorsionen...
En un iPod normal con archivos AAC a 256 kbps debería ser suficiente para comprobarlo. Si ahí también distorsionan es que algo anda mal en ellos, posiblemente estén defectuosos.
Tanto en mi Nexus 4 como en mi iPhone 3GS van perfectos.
Saludos!
Samsung QN93A 65"
Denon AVC-X8500HA
Front: KEF R3 + R2C; Surround: 2x DT AW5500; Atmos: 4x JBL Control 1 Pro
Subs: 2x Dayton UM15-22 sellados, Etapa Work Zenith 2400
Zidoo Z9X, XBox One X, Synology DS218J
RME ADI-2 DAC FS; Aune AR5000, Sennheiser HD650, Dan Clark Aeon 2 Noire, Denon AH-D5200, FiiO FT1
Qudelix 5k / Shanling M1 Plus, Kiwi Ears KE4, Sennheiser IE300
Desde luego si la unidad no está defectuosa dicho modelo no distorsiona.
Lo que sí te digo es que si en tus oídos te realza mucho alguna zona de agudos puede darte esa sensación subjetiva (ya sabemos que por encima de 3/4Khz un mismo auricular puede oscilar en algunas zonas +/-10dB entre sujetos)... y eso no es una diferencia precisamente pequeña).
Nadie está diciendo que estás sordo como una tapia, pero sí que puedas confundir algún realce de agudos con distorsión (no será la primera vez que se da a caso), que simplemente que estén defectuosos.. o sea problema de tu reproductor, de la grabación... variables desde luego hay muchas.
Un saludete
"Nunca se conoce realmente a un hombre hasta que uno se ha calzado sus zapatos y caminado con ellos". - Matar a un Ruiseñor
"Las burlas e insultos son las armas de quienes carecen de argumentación"
"Nunca se conoce realmente a un hombre hasta que uno se ha calzado sus zapatos y caminado con ellos". - Matar a un Ruiseñor
"Las burlas e insultos son las armas de quienes carecen de argumentación"
Segun he leido algunos teneis los Xiaomi Piston V2, me podeis confirmar si el control de volumen funciona con un reproductor mp3 sansa clip ?
Gracias
Sería interesante que pudieras poner la foto de esa membrana que mencionas. Una pregunta, ¿ estás aplicando algún tipo de ecualziación y/o ganancia a la hora de reproducir ?, por otro lado entiendo que pasa con toda la música (por descartar un posible problema de Loudness war o similar)...
Juan DP
Superlux HD381F In-Ear Headphones (IEM)
PROS
- Great, Cohesive Sonic Presentation, Neutral Response But Never Boring
- Wide Soundstage
- Decent Bass Extension and Presence
- Forward, But Natural Mid-Range
- Cheap (Price)
CONS
- Treble Distorts at Higher Volumes
- Vocals Subject to Source-Dependent Harshness and Distortion
- Vocal Sibilance is Grating at Higher Volumes (Goes Away with Sufficient Burn-In)
- Sub-Par Build Quality (Cheap Plastic, Non-Functional Strain Reliefs, Driver Flex)
- Semi-Open Design is Bad for Isolation
- Fit Can Get Uncomfortable Over Time
Treble
Perhaps the weakest part of the HD381F response range. It sounds fine in the grand scheme of things and carries a nice subtle sparkle to its upper frequencies, but complex treble passages will cause a little bit of distortion. Poorly mastered tracks also tend to exaggerate the HD381F’s distortion characteristics. These problems are mitigated partly by using Comply tips, which warm up the upper treble a bit. Since warm upper treble is my personal preference, this solution works great for me.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/536485/review-superlux-hd381f-bargain-bin-bliss
Saludos
Samsung UE55C9000
Cambridge Audio Azur 651BD
Yamaha Aventage RX-A810
Rotel RB-1552MKII
Monitor Audio Silver RX6
Focal Chorus cc 700v
Wharfedale Diamond 9.5
Wharfedale Diamond 9.1
Polk Audio DSW PRO 660
Wharfedale Diamond SW150
Sennheiser RS 180
Sennheiser Momentum On-Ear
Xiaomi Piston V2
Fiio X1
En head-fi pueden decir misa (incluída la posibilidad que en ese escrito aislado a alguien le haya salido un modelo defectuoso)... y encima dice que esa distorsión desaparece con el "rodaje" (se te ha olvidado señalarlo en rojo) ja,ja,ja
Yo también se escribir subjetividades: ahora misma estoy viendo un burro volando![]()
No a todo el mundo le gusta el mismo balance tonal (ni siquiera a todos nos suenan igual)... eso sí, para distorsión a alto volumen la que tienen otros auriculares y mucho más caros (tanto en agudos como en graves... aún sin bajar a 20hz lineales )
De sonido "forward", los HD381F alimentados con un amplificador de salida de impedancia que no varíe su curva no tienen absolutamente nada; precisamente en la zona de presencia (los medios) donde un auricular apenas cambia en la curva colocado entre diferentes sujetos (100hz -2/3Khz) es bastante lineal (todavía conservando un poquito de valle respecto a como sonaría un auricular totalmente plano)
Ya hemos coloreado el hilo, lo echaba de menos
Un saludete
P.D.: Lo curioso es que aquí lo tenemos unos cuantos y "menos uno" ningún otro escucha a alto volumen distorsión... pero seguro que es porque estamos sordos o no sabemos lo que es la distorsión ja,ja,aj
P.D. 2.: Empecemos con las subjetividades con por ejemplo un Sennheiser Momentum on Ear en sólo dos minutillos de búsqueda por la red:
Sennheiser Momentum On Ear Headphones ReviewI noticed a slight distortion in the Bass on high volume with tracks that have a lot of deep bass notes like R&B and House music, and some times with fast pace tracks the Bass can be a little too much but that all depends on which type of character you prefer. They are fairly easy to drive by almost any audio source, they sounded very good directly from my iPhone, but the improvement in sound when using an AMP was surprisingly good so I would advise listeners to invest a little more and try pairing them with and AMP. plus the improvement was far more noticeable with the over-ear model, the bass was much more tight and controlled and details were a lot clearer.
Bass: Great strong Bass with a nice punch to it with very little distortion/booming. However, if some tracks has a lot of bass it can sound a little Boomy on high volume levels, low frequencies are a little emphasized and pushed forward as i mentioned earlier but that gives the Momentum a live and dynamic sound character, I thought that the on-ear handled bass with better control than the full sized ones.
Mid-range: Mids are slightly drawn back and overpowered by the high and low notes, but still they sound ok overall.
Treble: Great crystal clear treble and natural highs, it has a warm shimmer and brings life to the sound of the Momentums without sturdiness of harsh sounds. - See more at: Sennheiser Momentum On Ear Headphones Review
Pues menos mal que ha notado una mejoría respecto el Sennheiser Momentum Over Ear![]()
Última edición por atcing; 31/01/2015 a las 23:55
"Nunca se conoce realmente a un hombre hasta que uno se ha calzado sus zapatos y caminado con ellos". - Matar a un Ruiseñor
"Las burlas e insultos son las armas de quienes carecen de argumentación"
Atcing,
En ningún momento dice que desaparezca la distorsión con el rodaje, indica que las sibilancias vocales a altos volúmenes son las que desaparecen. También indica que en complejos pasajes de agudos pueden causar una pequeña distorsión...y que las malas grabaciones pueden también exagerar esta característica distorsión de este modelo, y que puede desaparecer parcialmente (reducirse) con el uso de "comply" (marca) tips...
Y por cierto....vaya mareo con los colorines y la negrita....
Juan DP
Por si no se ha entendido la ironía del "burro volando" y lo verde que han puesto al Sennheiser Momentun Over-ear y on-ear, otra muestras más de que en la red de subjetividades se puede encontrar de todo tipo y para todos los gustos:
Superlux HD381 Series - Mini Review & ComparisonsI've posted this mini review in other forums, but since there is not many info about Superlux HD381 here, maybe this mini review can be usefull for the forum members here.
FYI, I'm not Superlux dealer, distributor, or their company representative, and have no relation with them. This is just purely my personal review and opinions. The pictures here are all taken by me, not from Superlux website, therefore I put my nickname there for copyright.
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Superlux, maybe better known for their microphones, also has headphones & IEMs in their product line. Superlux HD381 is their IEM model that comes in 3 different sound profiles:
HD381 (black color): Rich bass and powerful low end.
HD381F (white color): Flat frequency response.
HD381B (grey color): Crystal clear sound.
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Graphics of frequency response showing the difference between those 3 profiles are available on their website:
Superlux - HD381 Series
Specification:
Type:Dynamic, In-ear
Frequency Response:20 to 20,000Hz
Driver:Φ13.5mm, neodymium
Rated Impedance:16Ω @ 1KHZ, copper-coated aluminum wire
Sensitivity:103dB SPL, 1mW
Total Harmonic Distortion:˂0.25% at 1KHz/1V
Maximum Power:50mW
Cable:0.6 m (8.2 ft) 'Y' cable + 0.65 m extension
Connectors:Φ3.5mm adaptor, gold-plated connections
Net Weight:12g (9.75 oz)
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The HD381 series is a semi-open IEM, so isolation is not as good as normal fully sealed IEM. Using them for the first time, people might have the feeling that they don't get the fit, because of the poor isolation, but it is actually normal since the noise isolation is somewhere in between earbuds and IEM. Not ideal for noisy environment, and those who need good noise isolation. But maybe perfect for those who requires to hear some outside sound, such as announcements, etc.
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The HD381 series semi-open design may also contributes in it's imaging, the imaging is wider than normal IEM, sounds more relaxing, not so 'in your head', compared to common IEM. Like what we hear on fullsize headphones, the semi-open design usually has more 'out of your head' imaging than the closed design.
HD381 sensitivity is lower than average IEMs, I usually set iPod volume about 10% - 15% higher than other IEMs to get normal listening level.
I use iPod 6th Gen, 80 GB for comparing the IEMs in this review. Sometime with desktop PC with Foobar2000 v1.0.3 + Focusrite Saffire LE Firewire Audio Interface, for playing 24 bit audio tracks.
Some of the music used for this review:, all 24 bit, either 88.2 kHz or 96 kHz, on PC. Down sampled to 16 bit 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz for iPod:
Album: The Super Audio Collection Volume 4
Record Label: Linn Records
Linn Records - The Super Audio Collection Volume 4 sampler
Album: Open Your Ear
Record Label: Head-Fi and HDtracks (David Chesky)
Head-Fi and HDtracks (David Chesky) Collaborate to Assemble A Headphone System Test Album!
https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?f...HD666666666666
Album: Sara K. - No Cover
Record Label: Chesky Records
https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?f...HD090368018526
Album: The World's Greatest Audiophile Vocal Recordings
Record Label: Chesky Records
https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?f...HD090368032362
Album: Ultimate Demonstration Disc (From CD)
Record label: Chesky Records
http://www.chesky.com/core/details.c...095&category=1
HD381 (black), the bassy type, has big bassy sound, but the mid and high are still in pretty good balance. I have some other bassy IEMs, that cost more, they usually tend to have very recessed high, with poor clarity. But HD381 high is not much recessed, the clarity is still quite reasonable for bassy type IEM. Although I prefer the HD381F, the flat type, basshead maybe prefer HD381.
HD381F (white) is my favorite among the 3. Very good tonal balance from bass to treble, I didn't spot any unnatural rise or fall across the spectrum, it just sounds natural. Good amount of bass precisely what I like, well controlled and no boomy bass at all. Natural midrange that is suitable for I can say any genres of music and vocal. The midrange doesn't sound dry, just natural, and a bit warm, just nice. The high is also natural, with enough sparkling.
HD381B (grey) has a very sparkling high and bright mids, but not excessively bright. While bass amount is less from HD381F, the bass is still nice, extended very well to very low bass. The mids and high are more dominant than the bass, but the bass harmonic is still very much present & rich. The HD381B sound has good sense of space and atmosphere. Tuned for mids and highs clarity, HD381B is my next choice after HD381F.
As for imaging, overall, HD381 series have good imaging, slightly wider, less 'in your head' kind of imaging, than other fully sealed IEMs. Pretty good instruments separation and sense of space (especially HD381F and HD381B), although not as good as full size headphones. Detail and clarity is very good, especially considering this is a normal dynamic driver, not balance armature, on my ears, details can be as good as those IEM with BA drivers.
All the three use the same driver, therefore they share similar sounds signature, just tuned for a different tonal balance.
Next is comparison with other well known IEMs. I did this comparison for about a month or more. I usually take 2 or 3 models daily, and use them. I found that most of them sound good, but they are different in sound signature & tonal balance. To help me to find which sounds more natural, for some music tracks I compare them with full size headphones, ATH-M50 and Shure SRH840. Also sometime with Sennheiser HD25-1 II. For the comparisons, I only compare the HD381F, as it is my favorite among the 3.
HD381F Compared to:
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Westone UM3X
Westone UM3X mids and high is warm and very appealing, I doubt anyone will dislike UM3X mids and high, it is so 'likeable'. UM3X sounds big and warm, with very polite presentation, I like it. But UM3X bass is not perfect, the low bass is a bit boomy, and the mid bass is weak, I cannot get proper mid bass impact. Those hard hitting bass, and explosion sound, sounds big, but weak, not enough impact. FYI, I use Westone 3 grey silicon tip for UM3X, the white silicon didn't give me a good fit, the bass is worst with the translucent white silicon tip.
Overall tonal balance, HD381F is better than UM3X. UM3X sounds warmer, with better treble. I think people will like UM3X mid and high more than HD381F, I also like UM3X mid and high very much, maybe the most musical mid and high amongst the IEMs tested here. But when playing saxophone, HD381F sounds more realistic than UM3X, I can feel the aggressiveness of the saxophone sound (Chesky Records - The Ultimate Demonstration Disc, track 15, McCoy Tyner/Joe Henderson -Ask Me Now). But in general, UM3X mid and high is nicer than HD381F. For bass, HD381F has a more proper bass than UM3X. UM3X has better comfort and isolation, and I really like the twisted pair Westone cable
Westone 3
Westone 3 is not warm like UM3X, it is rather sounds cold, and a bit harsh in the high. I can easily hear sibilance with Westone 3. The tonal balance curve doesn't sound flat, rather like V shape or smiley shape, boosted in the bass and treble regions. The mids is not recessed, but rather muddy, maybe caused by the boosted bass. The bass is a bit boomy. Overall I prefer UM3X over Westone 3. I found the Westone 3 imaging is very 'in your head' kind of imaging, quite narrow. Westone 3 sounds energetic and aggressive, very forward and 'in your head' presentation, but for me, not musical.
Changing from Westone 3 to HD381F, I immediately feel relax, much more relax presentation, wider and more natural imaging, with a more natural tonal balance throughout the whole spectrum. HD381F is much more musical than Westone 3. But Westone 3 has better comfort & isolation.
Shure SE530
SE530 has nice, sweet, and thick midrange. Nice for vocal & guitar. SE530, overall, sounds more natural than both Westone 3 & UM3X. Although SE530 mids is not as warm as UM3X mids, but to me, sounds more natural. SE530 has forward presentation as well, but more natural and wider imaging than Westone 3 (but not so wide).
SE530 mid bass and mids are very dominant, so overall spectrum is not too flat to my ears. HD381F has a more flat spectrum, with better bass compared to SE530, especially the low bass. HD381F also sounds a bit brighter, a bit more treble than SE530. I like them both, but more often I take the HD381F, as to me it sounds more balance, and a better all-rounder than SE530. I use SE530 when I need more isolation. SE530 also has better comfort.
Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10
One of my favorite IEM, Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10, to my ears sounds better than Shure SE530, better tonal balance accross the spectrum. UE TF10 sounds silky smooth, and natural, excellent mids and treble, very nice vocal. Actually vocal sounds best on UE TF10 than other models reviewed here. UE TF10 bass, although good and well balance, is weaker than SE530, the Westones, and HD381F. UE TF10 maybe not for bass lover, even the bass is in good balance, but sometime the bass sounds shy. The bass level is somewhere in between HD381F and HD381B. For me the bass is not too much an issue, overall UE TF10 sounds beautiful.
HD381F has better bass than UE TF10, and for some music that need more energy and aggressiveness, such as percussion & saxophone, HD381F can sound better and more realistic than UE TF10. HD381F also has a bit more sparkling treble than UE TF10. But some other music, like vocal, UE TF10 may sounds better. And being semi-open, HD318F has slightly better, more relaxing imaging than UE TF10. UE TF10 and HD381F are both very good IEMs, I like them both.
Comfort wise, HD381F is easier to wear, UE TF10 need quite some effort to wear them (over the ear). But after that, both are about the same in comfort level.
Audio Technica CK100
To my ears, CK100 has a very poor tonal balance, very weak and distorted bass, colored mids. Only the treble is nice. CK100 bass is somehow missing. HD381B, the weak bass version of HD381, has much better bass than CK100, not to mention HD381F. CK100 is really comfortable to use, and I like the soft and rather thick cable, but CK100 sound is just wrong to my ears. So I cannot comment much for CK100, for me HD381F sounds much better in all departments compared to CK100.
So that's all for the comparisons, hopefully you enjoy it
For the price (around USD 30 each), and the sound quality, I'd say HD381F is really value for money
(at least for my musical preference devil).
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04 June 2010: Summary Added
Base on my musical preference, first line is better than the second line, and so on.
Comfort:
1. Westone 3, Westone UM3X, Shure SE530, Audio Technica CK100
2. Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10 & Superlux HD381F
Isolation:
1. Westone 3, Westone UM3X, Shure SE530, Audio Technica CK100
2. Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10
3. Superlux HD381F
Tonal Balance:
1. Superlux HD381F
2. Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10
3. Westone UM3X
4. Shure SE530
5. Westone 3
6. Audio Technica CK100
Bass Quality:
1. Superlux HD381F
2. Shure SE530 & Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10 (different, depend on personal preference)
3. Westone 3
4. Westone UM3X
5. Audio Technica CK100
Midrange and Treble Quality:
1. Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10 & Westone UM3X
2. Superlux HD381F
3. Shure SE530
4. Westone 3
5. Audio Technica CK100
Musicality:
1. Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10 & Westone UM3X
2. Superlux HD381F
3. Shure SE530
4. Westone 3
5. Audio Technica CK100
Imaging:
1. Superlux HD381F
2. Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10 & Westone UM3X
3. Audio Technica CK100
4. Shure SE530
5. Westone 3
As for detail, using iPod, I have no issue with detail, they all reveal excellent details
No se si resaltar algunas de las comparativas enrte este HD381F vs otros muchísimo más caros en rojo o dejarlo tal cual.... pero desde luego si con estos dos últimos mensajes no se entiende el porqué algunos defendemos la objetividad en esta afición... vamos bastante mal apañados
Un saludete
"Nunca se conoce realmente a un hombre hasta que uno se ha calzado sus zapatos y caminado con ellos". - Matar a un Ruiseñor
"Las burlas e insultos son las armas de quienes carecen de argumentación"